PODCAST: Ryan Haupt

Science… Sort of… Sort Of

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Theme music, “Lazy White Atheist Blues,” by T. Randolph Scott

Evolution of the Social Network

Enjoying Google+, so I thought I’d whip up a quick photoshop:

Organic Compounds the Problem

Back in April I attended TEDxCLE and had a great time. I’m already looking forward to next year! TEDxCLE is an extraordinary event and I would encourage anyone to attend a local independently organized TED event or, in the absence of such, organize their own. Most of the talks were enlightening and well-presented. One talk that stuck out was Jonathan Sawyer, chef of his popular Greenhouse Tavern, but not for the reasons you might expect.

Anytime I hear “organic foods” my skeptical ears perk up. Not because I am opposed to the consumption of organic foods (I’m quite sure I eat plenty of it myself, whether I know it or not) or because I think it’s not as good as conventional agriculture, but because I think purported benefits that using these overpriced products has on the environment and health are greatly exaggerated when they are not completely made up. I also think the labeling of a product as organic or natural (and I don’t mean to conflate the two—natural has no legal definition) is more than anything a marketing ploy—a contention that Sawyer himself seems to make. Perhaps I’m guilty of the same with the title of this post (but those are the perils of attempting to be clever).

I won’t go into too much detail on the organic foods debate here. If you’d like to get all the ins and outs, Brian Dunning from Skeptoid.com has done the research here and here, and has provided the citations. I’m going to focus on Sawyer’s talk and where he get’s things wrong.

Let me start by saying I agree with Sawyer on some of his fundamental points, such as the problem of obesity and corruption of the organic foods industry. I also realize that the format of TED, while desirable for many reasons, often allows little more than an overview of the speaker’s message and doesn’t provide a Q&A for the speaker to defend their claims. Sawyer as the speaker and I as the critiquer are both put at a disadvantage in this regard. That being said, let us begin.

There’s nothing natural in [American cheese] whatsoever…. There is no product in American cheese that is naturally produced by any animal. True statement.

Is it? One of Sawyer’s main points, which I agree with, is that the terms natural and organic have lost meaning and do little to inform us of what is in a food product labeled as such. How then can he propose to tell us about the “nature” of American cheese? I’d like to know what definition of natural he is using when he makes this claim.

American cheese is made mainly from milk, whey, milk protein, and whey protein—all ingredients most of us would consider “natural” and “naturally produced by animals.” Even the package of what many might consider the most unnatural version of American cheese, Kraft singles, contains these ingredients, and you’ll likely find a similar list on any version you’ll find in the store.

More importantly, the implication that natural = good and unnatural = bad is erroneous, and dangerously so. Try hiking through the woods without a wilderness guide, eating berries along the way, and you might not make it back to tell of your nature walk. And I doubt Sawyer would tell sufferers of diabetes, which he is rightly concerned about, to stop taking their synthetic medication.

I don’t mean to pass judgement on American cheese as either healthy or unhealthy, but Sawyer seems to be confused about it’s makeup and his example serves to only further the confusion over the definition of terms such as natural.

This [popcorn] represents the amount of herbicides, pesticides, growth hormones, my family of four would consume in one year…. 20 lbs a year, in a conventional, commercial diet. Now had this been pesticides I would challenge anybody in this audience to come up here right now and eat a handful of this and tell me it’s not harmful when ingested in small amounts.

I don’t think anyone claiming pesticides are not harmful in small doses would consider a handful to be small. As it turns out, once we break down the analogy it becomes clear that Sawyer simply made up the idea of a handful without any thought (or with willful ignorance) of the actual amount of pesticides an individual would ingest in a single sitting.

The first problem is that he conflates pesticides and growth hormone—two very different things—resulting in an inflated handful, or “small amount.” We’ll let that slide. He continues this inflation by including his family of four in the total amount, then making his challenge apply to individuals. Let’s do some simple math, shall we?

20 lb / 4 persons = 5 lb per person per year

5 lb / 365 days = .014 lb per day

.014 lb / 3 meals (let’s say) = .005 lb

That’s less than 3/4 of an ounce of pesticides and growth hormone combined in one sitting. I’ve never been good at this stuff (in fact, somebody should check my math), but even an English major like myself can see that a handful of that popcorn would weigh substantially more than that. Toss in the fact that a handful of pesticides/growth hormone would certainly weigh a lot more than light, airy popcorn and the whole analogy goes out the window. 3/4 of an ounce of pesticides/growth hormone wouldn’t be anywhere close to a handful. Keep in mind, we haven’t even investigated whether that initial 20 lb a year is even accurate.

This exceptionally egregious—and I’m being generous when I say—distortion of the facts is more than just shoddy math, it’s blatant dishonesty. Sawyer presumably took the time to look up the numbers and craft a demonstration in which he purposefully inflates, conflates, and makes a specious comparison in order to sway distracted audience members to ignore the facts—or so it seems to me. And the facts are that public perception that pesticides and growth hormone are hazardous in the quantities consumed has been influenced by politics and is NOT supported  by the scientific research.

One of our favorite collaborators is Farmer Lee Jones, on screen, from Chef’s Garden in Huron, Ohio. His farm exemplifies the most stringent, sustainable, and green business practices of any farmer we know. And like us, they are completely transparent about those practices… A couple great farmer friends of mine, whose produce is of no less quality of Farmer Lee Jones, would love to be certified Organic, but they simply can’t afford it. I know for a fact they do not use chemicals.

I contacted The Chef’s Garden and inquired about their use of pesticides and fertilizers. After getting passed around a bit, I was told an owner would call me back. I haven’t received that call yet, but if I do I’ll be sure to include an update here.

The fact is many of these farmer friends Sawyer speaks of probably use organic pesticides and they almost certainly use organic fertilizers. To say these are not chemicals—regardless of how those chemicals are arrived at—is just false. My guess is that he is probably referring only to synthetic chemicals. Perhaps because he believes the word chemical only applies to unnatural things, which we know means they must be bad. Whether it’s from manure, worm castings, and guano (organic fertilizer) or extracted from the air, rocks, and ocean (synthetic fertilizer), you still end up with the same chemical load of nitrogen, potassium, and phosphate.

I sympathize with Sawyer’s quest to make food healthier, but in the end he just gets too many things wrong, resulting in a talk that is at best, lazy and at worst, dishonest. He would do better to educate himself on the scientific research that is available and use that to get his message across without resorting to sensationalism an deceptive tactics.

#atheism Twatheisms

#Atheism Twatheism is a collection of the best tweets tagged #atheism from that day or so. If you’d like to see your tweets included, you can get my direct attention by using the hash tag, #ITAS.

 

Visiting the Creation Museum

Last summer I went with a couple friends to see anti-science at it’s worst. I feel bad about giving them $20, but it was on our way back from Nashville so we couldn’t resist. I never got around to posting the photos, so here they are now. I also took audio and some video that I will hopefully put together soon.

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Map: Locations of Japan Quakes

Both images are overlays I made of maps of both quakes provided by the Japan Meteorological Agency. I put big red dots to mark the epicenters. The dot on the right of both maps indicates the 8.9 9.0 magnitude quake off the coast of Sendai in Miyagi Prefecture. The left dot is the 6.6 magnitude quake in the area of Niigata and Nagano prefectures.

Earthquake! Tsunami! Quick, check your wallet!

I woke up this morning to read a text from my girlfriend in Japan about a big earthquake that hit. Right after that was a text from my friend here in the States saying he hopes all my friends in Japan are safe. (I lived in Japan in 2009 and 2010.) So naturally, I jumped out of bed and went straight to Google news results for “Japan earthquake.” This is what I got:

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Seriously? Almost every result I get is not about the quake, but about how it will effect the economy. I understand that’s important too, but come on. The largest quake the world has felt in six years and a tsunami to boot. People dying, homes and property destroyed, and Businessweek has one of the only headlines that’s not about shares, markets, or currencies (but guess what that article is about).

Brachiolope Vs. Ninja

One of my favorite podcasts these days is Science… Sort Of. You should check it out now. Anyway, they are always looking for pictures of the elusive Brachiolope. I happened to find one on my facebook profile attacking another elusive character—the ninja. Here’s a photo:

I should mention that I can’t take credit fro creating any of the original art—I just photoshopped stuff together and made the fb layout.

The Climate of Faith

NPR ran this article about a scattering of islands in the South Pacific that make up the country of Kiribati (listen) that could soon find itself underwater due to the rising sea levels in part caused by climate change.

But there is good news—the former president, current member of parliament, and biblical literalist, Teburoro Tito, says it ain’t gonna happen:

I’m not easily taken by global scientists prophesizing the future … Saying we’re going to be under the water, that I don’t believe, because people belong to God, and God is not so silly to allow people to perish just like that.

Am I missing something here or is this guy completely delusional? He doesn’t think his god would be “silly” enough to allow a mere 90,000 people perish?

I wonder how he explains the 2004 Tsunami that wiped out 230,000 people. Perhaps Tito missed the Haiti earthquake that killed over 300,000JUST LAST YEAR. And let’s not forgot the silly 1931 China floods that killed millions! I could go on and on and on…

This biblical literalist has also, it seems, never read the Bible. If Tito believes the Bible is the literal word of God, he must also believe all of the mass murder and genocide committed by and ordered by God really happened. Let’s not even talk about the flood, when he intentionally murdered almost every living creature on the planet. Instead let’s name just a couple of the many other examples found in the Bible.

I Samuel 6:19 And he asmote the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had blooked into the ark of the Lord, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the Lord had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter.

Deuteronomy 7:2 And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly adestroy them; thou shalt bmake no ccovenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:

Better yet, just open the Bible and put your finger on the page. Chances are you will point to an example of God killing somebody—often children.

Silly God.

Watson Vs. House M.D.

Could Watson may be more than just a game show contestant? IBM thinks so.

“Watson, within seconds, will be able to search all recent medical research information and help the doctor make that [diagnosis] and perhaps most importantly, recommend the best practice in the world for that patient at that second.”

This got me thinking—what would the ramifications of this be for our beloved Dr. Gregory House?

Think of all misdiagnoses and wrong treatments that nearly kill every single one of House’s patients. This could all potentially be avoided.

Imagine House sitting at a table humiliating his staff and ordering them to break into someone’s house and treat their dying patient for cancer, then lupus, then sarcoidosis, then some vague desease simply referred to as “autoimmune,” before realizing it’s almost never any of those things even though they always guess them first, and finally having the correct diagnosis revealed to him, unwittingly, by Wilson.

Now imagine instead of underlings and Wilson down the hall, he has a terminal in his office linked to Watson. He punches in the symptoms and history of his patient and in seconds Watson speaks the correct diagnosis: “What is AIDS?”

So maybe there are a few kinks to work out, but you can see my point—poor Dr. House suddenly finds himself with a boring job, a seven minute television program, and way fewer epiphanic moments.

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